For months, Agent Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has been a good soldier for the Democratic Party and Joseph R. Biden Jr as he seeks to defeat President Trump.
But on Saturday, in a nearly an hour interview shortly after President-elect Biden was declared the winner, Ocasio-Cortez made it clear that the party divisions led to the primary election. sets still exist. And she has dismissed recent criticisms from members of the House of Representatives, who have blamed the party’s leftist side for losing important seats. Some of the losers, she said, considered themselves “sitting ducks”;.
These are edited excerpts from the chat.
Finally, we have a more complete understanding of the results. What is your macro lesson?
I think the central point is that we are no longer free-falling to hell. But whether we welcome ourselves or not is a lingering question. We have halted this downhill process. And the question is if and how will we rebuild ourselves.
We know that race is an issue, and avoiding it won’t solve any electoral problems. We must actively eliminate the strong effect of racism in polls.
But we’ve also learned that progressive policies don’t hurt candidates. Each Medicare All-in Co-sponsored candidate in a crowded area holds their seat. We also know that co-financing the Green New Deal is not a spoiler. Mike Levin was the original co-sponsor of the law, and he keeps his seat.
First, the Democrats lost their seats in an election they were expected to win. Is that what you’re supposed to be white racist and supremacy at polls?
I think what’s really important is how the party deals with this internally and whether that party is being honest about the actual autopsy and really finding out why they were lost. Because before we have any data on many of these races, there was an indication that this was progress and it was the fault of the Black Living Movement.
I have begun to look at the actual performance of these campaigns. And the thing is, I’ve been a Democrat for two years. I beat DCCC campaigns for two years. That’s how I got to Congress. That’s how we voted Ayanna Pressley. That is how Jamaal Bowman won. That’s how Cori Bush won. And so we know about the critical flaws in the way Democrats run campaigns.
Some of these are criminals. That is a mistake. Conor Lamb spent $ 2,000 on Facebook the week before the election. I don’t think anyone who doesn’t really use the internet in our God year 2020 and losing an election could blame anyone else for when you don’t even actually have access to the internet.
And I’ve come across a lot of these campaigns that have failed, and the fact of the matter is if you don’t spend $ 200,000 on Facebook with fundraising, persuasion, volunteer recruitment, weekly voting Before the election, you don’t shoot at all of the towers. And none of these operations hit all of the towers.
Yes, Conor Lamb won. So what are you saying: Is investing in digital advertising and canvassing a bigger reason for the moderate Democrats to lose more than any progressive policy?
These people are looking towards the Republican message that they feel they’ve killed them, aren’t they? But why are you so vulnerable to attack?
If you don’t knock, if you don’t have internet access, if your main trust points are TV and mail, then you’re not running a campaign on all the poles. I just don’t understand how anyone can make ideological claims when they don’t run a formal campaign.
Our party wasn’t even online, not in a way that was actually showing competence. And so, yes, they are susceptible to these messages, because they are not even on the means by which these messages are most effective. Sure, you can point to the message, but they sit like ducks too. They are sitting ducks.
There’s a reason Barack Obama built his entire campaign outside of the Democratic National Committee. And there’s a reason that when he didn’t activate or continue that, we lost most of the managers. Because the party – in and of itself – has no core competence, and no amount of money will overcome it.
If I lose my election, and I go out and I say, ‘It’s the moderator’s fault. This is because you didn’t let us have a floor vote on Medicare for all. “And they opened my campaign, and they found that I only spent $ 5,000 on TV commercials the week before the election? They would laugh. And that’s what they look like now. now trying to blame the Black Life Movement for their loss.
Was there anything from Tuesday that surprised you? Or make you rethink your previous views?
Sharing of whites who support Trump. I thought the voting was over, but just by seeing it, I felt a sense of what I had to do.
We need to do a lot of deep anti-racism action in this country. Because if we continue to lose white stocks and only allow Facebook to radicalize more and more white voters and white voters, then there will be no numbers of people of color and young people. you can make up for it.
But the point is right now, I think a lot of Dem’s strategy is to avoid actually doing this. Just try to avoid poking at the bear. That was their argument with taking the police down, right? In order not to incite racial resentment. I don’t think that’s sustainable.
There are a lot of magical thoughts in Washington, that these are just about special people, kind of going down from above. Year after year, we turn down the idea that they work and run complex activities in support of the idea that they are special, magical people. I need everyone to take off these goggles and realize how we can make things better.
If you’re the DCCC, and you’re giving incumbents to progressive rebels, you’d think you might want to use some of those companies. But instead, we banned them. So the DCCC banned every single best company in the country from digital organization.
The leadership and members of the party – frankly those in some of the most important decision-making positions in the party – are becoming so blind to this sentiment of opposition that they blind themselves to themselves. property they provide.
I begged the side to let me help them for two years. That’s the damn thing too. I have been trying to help. Before the election, I offered to help every Democrat in their area of action. And each of them, except for five, refused my help. And all five of the people in the vulnerable or clingy county that I helped secure victory or are on the path to victory. And everyone who refused my help was gone. And now they are blaming us for their loss.
So I need my colleagues to understand that we are not the enemy. And that their base is not the enemy. That the Black Life Movement is not the enemy, that Medicare for all is not the enemy. This is not even a victory in an argument. That is if they continue to pursue the wrong, I mean, they’re just making their own obsolescence.
What are your expectations for how open the Biden administration will be on the left? And what is the strategy for moving it?
I don’t know how they will open. And it’s not a personal thing. It’s just that, the party’s history tends to be that we’re really excited about our roots to be elected. And then those communities were quickly abandoned after an election.
I think the transition will show whether the government is adopting a more collaborative and open approach or if they are adopting a frozen approach. Because Obama’s transition set the trajectory for 2010 and some of our Home losses. Those are a lot of transformation decisions – and those put in leadership positions – that really have information, not surprisingly, governance strategies.
What if the government is hostile? If they took John Kasich’s view on who Joe Biden should be? What is your occupation?
Well, I will be disappointed, because we will lose. And that’s just what it is. These forward appointments, they send a signal. They told a story about the government crediting this victory. And so it will be really hard after young immigrant activists have helped potentially liberate Arizona and Nevada. It will be really tough after Detroit and Rashida Tlaib run the numbers in her county.
It’s really hard for us to find people who don’t vote when they feel like nothing has changed for them. When they feel like people don’t see them, or even acknowledge their voter turnout.
If this party believes that after 94 percent Detroit has come to Biden, after Black organizers have only doubled and tripled the number of voters to vote in Georgia, after so many people hold Philadelphia, then the signal from Democrats is John Kasichs won us in this election? I mean, I can’t even describe how dangerous it is.
You are diagnosing national trends. You are probably the most famous voice on the left side right now. What can we expect from you over the next four years?
I do not know. I think maybe I’ll have more answers as we get through the transition and move on to the next semester. The way that party responds will inform a lot about my approach and what I think is essential.
The past two years have been quite hostile. Outside, we won. On the outside, there’s a lot of backing, but on the inside, it’s extremely hostile to anything that even seems progressive.
Is the whole team ready to, like, sit down and work together and figure out how we are going to use the wealth from everyone at the party? Or will they just double this stifling approach? And that will announce what I do.
Is there a universe they’re so hostile about that we’re talking about a Senate run in a few years?
I really do not know. I don’t even know if I want to get involved in politics. You know, in fact, in the first six months of my term, I don’t even know if I’m running for re-election this year.
It is coming. That is the tension. That is violence. It is a lack of support from your own party. Your own party thinks you are the enemy. When your coworker speaks anonymously in the press and then comes back and says you are bad because you actually tied your name to your opinion.
I chose to run for re-election because I feel I have to prove this is true. That this movement is real. That I am not a lucky person. That people really want guaranteed health care and people really want Democrats to fight for them.
But I’m serious about telling people the likelihood of me running for a higher office and the likelihood that I’ll try to start a house somewhere – they are probably the same.